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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:46:00 -
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Looking forward to testing on Sisi...
Although you've probably already read my thoughts on the matter.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:51:00 -
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So let me get this straight.
You removed the web bonus from the Talos... because you didn't want to pidgeon hole the ship into blasters... in the process pidgeon holing it into rails.
People have now decided that these ships are sniping only... But yet the Naga has a torps with no torp range bonuses...
The Tornado and Oracle are fine (or overpowered!) depending on how you look at things. Whilst the Talos and Naga are pretty low on CPU and perhaps a tiny bit low on grid and missing a few things...
Talos is missing drones, Naga is missing a damage bonus on hybrids or a missile flight time bonus on torps in addition to the CPU to actually make use of it's mids. As it stands, there is just no comparison between the Tornado and Oracle vs the Naga and Talos.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 19:01:00 -
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Voith wrote:Hey, Minmatar engineers are just smarter than everyone else in the 'verse.
Why thank you.
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:11:00 -
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The Naga should be a cruise missile and torp ship.
Drop the hybrid bonuses and replace with 25% damage bonus to kinetic missiles. At the moment it's too slow as a hybrid boat to offer much more over the rokh and can't really tank.
With cruise missiles, most of the complains people have about range, not being able to fit for full damage, CPU, tank and more should melt away.
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Posted - 2011.11.07 19:55:00 -
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The tornado should lose its fall off bonus, and probably not for a tracking bonus too unless the slot layout changed.
If the Tornado and Oracle stays as it is, you'd probably have to give the Talos and Naga drones and extra slots just to offer a little something extra, that's unless you can figure something out for hybrids.
Additionally, there would be absolutely no problem with having the Naga fire cruise missles, especially when large pulses behave more like uber medium rails at optimal and quake has 125km fall off with 3x tcs
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Posted - 2011.11.07 20:00:00 -
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Also, as it stands, these things will cost as much as tier 1 battleships to manufacture - when you coincided this, how strong/weak should they be? How niche can they be before generally becoming underwhelming?
I still strongly believe that these ships should enter the game as tech 2 ships. Because in that arena specialization is easier to balance because you have a few more options.
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Posted - 2011.11.08 08:04:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Cosimo Medici wrote:Kiev Duran wrote:
I can't make heads or tails of a single goddamned word of this. What are you trying to say?
What I want to say, is following: there's plenty of people who are waiting for Tornado and clearly know how It may be used and will be used. If it's stats will be tuned down, this ship will be useful still because it fits into common matari way to fly ships, as cane or phoon, or nano-pest. Others are thrown into just for 'symmetry'. Only as emty entity for market and papers and tick in documentation. 'Work completed' no 'intended' role for them, no sense for using them. They are just deadborn frankenstein's monsters. Well that is the inherent problem in designing ships for a specific narrow role. Instead of designing 4 good ships you design a role and make 4 racial variants of that. One of them(with luck 2) will always be the best at it and the rest can be pretty much ignored. Since this time the designed role relies heavily on minmatar strengths, it's natural that minmatar is one of the better choices. I'm not saying it doesn't need some tweaking, but it's unlikely to change the outcome, since the role naturally favors them.
Good post. May be worth reconsidering the roles of ships whose racial traits are diametrically opposed to them successfully completing that role.
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Posted - 2011.11.08 12:39:00 -
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I don't think these things can be *anti-battleship* platforms. Even if they kite, they are still subject to the full wrath of battleship turrets. Infact, battleships and frigs are really the only thing that stand up to them.
Some observations:
It's possible to fit dual plates, +dual heavy pulses 10mn and tackle. Bug or feature? If the latter, could the talos have this ability (grid and cpu) too please?
Overloading on these ships seems to last way too long. Bug or feature?
The max speed of each of these ships needs to be closer together, there's almost 300m/s difference between the tornado and Naga, this should be less imo.
When these ships scale up to large gang sizes, you may find some problems, chiefly, AC's and pulses being too good at taking out support.
FOTM rating 8/10
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Posted - 2011.11.10 13:14:00 -
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Wouldn't a heavy destroyer be VERY GOOD at killing things smaller than it'self? I mean, isn't that what destroyers are for?
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Posted - 2011.11.11 22:35:00 -
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You think it's bad here?
For every answer CCP Tallest provides in the hybrid thread, a thousand questions are written in reply.
Should we be looking forward to the winter expansion or summer for these things? We've waited 2 years, I'm sure a few more months won't hurt...
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:44:00 -
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:30:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Phantomania wrote:Nice for you, I'm sure you'll have a nice new Ship Model that you can make use of! I guess I'll have to stick with my Tengu which costs $$$$ Once again, Thx CCP! DRAKE. TENGU GOLEM RAVEN ROOK SCORPION WIDOW HAWK HOOKBILL GILA CARACAL CERB Get over yourself. Dedicated hybrid ships: Rokh Moa Eagle A torp Naga is WORTHLESS. It can't do anything in PvP and would be stupid in PvE. Christ have you even tried flying one?
Quit falling for the obvious troll.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:47:00 -
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More turret DPS??? 
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:21:00 -
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The Naga is more or less fixed by this change imo - Good Range, Good DPS at Range, Classic Caldari.
Should be ported over to more rail boats with lows moved to the mids..
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:08:00 -
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Talos and Naga are quite well balanced with each other, ship per ship. From Speed/tracking/drones vs Range. If there are any lasting problems, they stem from hybrids generally sucking or the class as a whole being to squishy.
Also, currently drowning in missile lovers tears...
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:16:00 -
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FINAL FEEDBACK (unless any new changes are made.)
Naga
Needs a tiny bit more power grid.
Needs slightly more agility and speed (lack of low slots really prevents nanoing up)
Talos
Needs 150 more base power grid.
Then I think they compare to the rest in terms of fittings and performance.
In terms of your stated aims/goals, these ships really do the exact opposite. They die extremely quickly to battleships and battlecruisers (Short BS guns track cruiser sized stuff too easily at all ranges), but are great at kiting and destroying small stuff. The dreak killers we were promised these are not.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:53:00 -
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Wonders how many gallente pilots would cry this hard if the talos was switched from drones...
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